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		<title>By: Mad Dawg</title>
		<link>http://www.adirondackbasecamp.com/2006/12/adirondack-ghouls-during/comment-page-1/#comment-3952</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TourPro -- I am so BUSTED!  LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TourPro &#8212; I am so BUSTED!  LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: TourPro</title>
		<link>http://www.adirondackbasecamp.com/2006/12/adirondack-ghouls-during/comment-page-1/#comment-3951</link>
		<dc:creator>TourPro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Eat Pork or Die&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I cannot wait for one of these shirts.  Thanks Dawg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Eat Pork or Die&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I cannot wait for one of these shirts.  Thanks Dawg.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Dawg</title>
		<link>http://www.adirondackbasecamp.com/2006/12/adirondack-ghouls-during/comment-page-1/#comment-3950</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOTE: this is not meant to &quot;answer&quot; any of Adirondack Almanacks points.

The reason the outcome of the Vietnam war is hard to explain, as Col. Summers showed in his excellent analysis, is that the purpose of the war was NOT explained, and the people of the US were not rallied behind it.  For many, the first they knew of the Vietnam war was that people were protesting against it.  So we lost the war.  We could have won it militarily -- even the Vietnamese agree that we DID win it militarily -- but we lost it because we did not have the political will to win.

Christians have been martyred in Vietnam since we lost there.  That&#039;s a threat to world freedom, IMHO.  Saddam was involved with the first bombing of the WTC, a plot to take the life of Bush41, several radar locks on US aircraft, and defiance of numerous UN resolutions.  While reasonable people can differ, there is ample evidence to suggest a continuing relationship between Iraq and other terrorists before and after 9-11.  I tend to follow Mylroie&#039;s analysis. Further, since we went into Iraq, Iran has certainly and Syria has probably sent in surrogates to fight us and to stir up death and confusion in Iraq.

People have already forgotten how when we went into Afghanistan, Libya all of a sudden started making nice.  Certainly those against the current war never mention a single one of the benefits in increased safety and security for US citizens at home and abroad.  The Hate America First gang (and no, Adirondack Almanack, I&#039;m NOT making a veiled reference to you when I say that, stay cool) forgets the Marine Barracks murders, the murder of Leon Klinghoffer (not sure of the spelling here), an innocent old guy in a wheel chair whom heroic sons of the Prophet pushed over the side of a cruise ship as a what they thought was a brave act of defiance against the US.  Have we forgotten Munich? What will it take us to say and mean that we&#039;ve had enough of this?

It is time, it is PAST time to realize that if we are not prepared to risk the lives of our honorable and cherished troops to demonstrate convincingly to these murderous thugs that blowing up babies in coffee shops is simply intolerable, they will bring that kind of thing to the Starbucks near you.

When we started the WOT liberals and their media running dogs hadn&#039;t put it together that effective prosecution of the war would make a  Republican look good.  As soon as they realized that, they began a protracted campaign to break the political will to win either in Iraq or in general. For example: the same network that sat on the Juanita Broaderick story rushed a pack of lies about Bush to the screen. The drumbeat of one-sided criticism from Reuters, Al AP, WaPo and NYT, as well as CBSNBCABCCNNPSMNBC and the rest is remarkable to those of us who follow the war carefully.

People like Adirondack Almanack throw around the word &quot;lies&quot; and when asked for some substantiation they call it &quot;bait&quot;.  Willingly or not, they are contributing to the war against the US of the so-called &quot;mainstream media&quot;.  Others insist that we are in Iraq for revenge, and then say that Iraq had nothing to do with the 9-11 and that it somehow is relevant that more or less as many troops have died in the WOT as died on 9-11.  But those who were paying attention and who remember see this for the attempt to sap the will of the people that it truly is.  WMD were not the only or even the main reason for going into Iraq. Niether was the 9-11.  Qhat we&#039;re about is fighting a persistent, barbaric, perverted, utterly dishonest enemy to the point that they decide joining civilization is easier than the weird, suicidal life they&#039;ve chosen for themselves. But you&#039;d never know that from watching TV or reading the newspapers.

Somebody said that democracies die by suicide. We&#039;re not even close to dead yet, but there are many in the US who won&#039;t begin to fight back until the enemy has killed someone they love.  I&#039;m lucky.  My sister just lost precious possessions in the 9-11 but she&#039;s fine.  A kid I used to baby-sit for lost his life in WTC1, and his first child was born to his widow months after he died.

I commend the President. I support this war, imperfect as it is. I want us to continue to prosecute it until the Islamowackos learn to act like civilzed people. If we don&#039;t, they will bring their madness to your doorstep. THEN you  will fight or watch your loved ones die.  It&#039;s really that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOTE: this is not meant to &#8220;answer&#8221; any of Adirondack Almanacks points.</p>
<p>The reason the outcome of the Vietnam war is hard to explain, as Col. Summers showed in his excellent analysis, is that the purpose of the war was NOT explained, and the people of the US were not rallied behind it.  For many, the first they knew of the Vietnam war was that people were protesting against it.  So we lost the war.  We could have won it militarily &#8212; even the Vietnamese agree that we DID win it militarily &#8212; but we lost it because we did not have the political will to win.</p>
<p>Christians have been martyred in Vietnam since we lost there.  That&#8217;s a threat to world freedom, IMHO.  Saddam was involved with the first bombing of the WTC, a plot to take the life of Bush41, several radar locks on US aircraft, and defiance of numerous UN resolutions.  While reasonable people can differ, there is ample evidence to suggest a continuing relationship between Iraq and other terrorists before and after 9-11.  I tend to follow Mylroie&#8217;s analysis. Further, since we went into Iraq, Iran has certainly and Syria has probably sent in surrogates to fight us and to stir up death and confusion in Iraq.</p>
<p>People have already forgotten how when we went into Afghanistan, Libya all of a sudden started making nice.  Certainly those against the current war never mention a single one of the benefits in increased safety and security for US citizens at home and abroad.  The Hate America First gang (and no, Adirondack Almanack, I&#8217;m NOT making a veiled reference to you when I say that, stay cool) forgets the Marine Barracks murders, the murder of Leon Klinghoffer (not sure of the spelling here), an innocent old guy in a wheel chair whom heroic sons of the Prophet pushed over the side of a cruise ship as a what they thought was a brave act of defiance against the US.  Have we forgotten Munich? What will it take us to say and mean that we&#8217;ve had enough of this?</p>
<p>It is time, it is PAST time to realize that if we are not prepared to risk the lives of our honorable and cherished troops to demonstrate convincingly to these murderous thugs that blowing up babies in coffee shops is simply intolerable, they will bring that kind of thing to the Starbucks near you.</p>
<p>When we started the WOT liberals and their media running dogs hadn&#8217;t put it together that effective prosecution of the war would make a  Republican look good.  As soon as they realized that, they began a protracted campaign to break the political will to win either in Iraq or in general. For example: the same network that sat on the Juanita Broaderick story rushed a pack of lies about Bush to the screen. The drumbeat of one-sided criticism from Reuters, Al AP, WaPo and NYT, as well as CBSNBCABCCNNPSMNBC and the rest is remarkable to those of us who follow the war carefully.</p>
<p>People like Adirondack Almanack throw around the word &#8220;lies&#8221; and when asked for some substantiation they call it &#8220;bait&#8221;.  Willingly or not, they are contributing to the war against the US of the so-called &#8220;mainstream media&#8221;.  Others insist that we are in Iraq for revenge, and then say that Iraq had nothing to do with the 9-11 and that it somehow is relevant that more or less as many troops have died in the WOT as died on 9-11.  But those who were paying attention and who remember see this for the attempt to sap the will of the people that it truly is.  WMD were not the only or even the main reason for going into Iraq. Niether was the 9-11.  Qhat we&#8217;re about is fighting a persistent, barbaric, perverted, utterly dishonest enemy to the point that they decide joining civilization is easier than the weird, suicidal life they&#8217;ve chosen for themselves. But you&#8217;d never know that from watching TV or reading the newspapers.</p>
<p>Somebody said that democracies die by suicide. We&#8217;re not even close to dead yet, but there are many in the US who won&#8217;t begin to fight back until the enemy has killed someone they love.  I&#8217;m lucky.  My sister just lost precious possessions in the 9-11 but she&#8217;s fine.  A kid I used to baby-sit for lost his life in WTC1, and his first child was born to his widow months after he died.</p>
<p>I commend the President. I support this war, imperfect as it is. I want us to continue to prosecute it until the Islamowackos learn to act like civilzed people. If we don&#8217;t, they will bring their madness to your doorstep. THEN you  will fight or watch your loved ones die.  It&#8217;s really that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: TourPro</title>
		<link>http://www.adirondackbasecamp.com/2006/12/adirondack-ghouls-during/comment-page-1/#comment-3934</link>
		<dc:creator>TourPro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And the facts prove, that American right-wing terrorist have killed many, many, more Americans than any Islamist - who by the way, were from SAUDIA ARABIA!&lt;/em&gt;

Uh, yeah, Ok.  You truly scare me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And the facts prove, that American right-wing terrorist have killed many, many, more Americans than any Islamist &#8211; who by the way, were from SAUDIA ARABIA!</em></p>
<p>Uh, yeah, Ok.  You truly scare me.</p>
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		<title>By: Adirondack Almanack</title>
		<link>http://www.adirondackbasecamp.com/2006/12/adirondack-ghouls-during/comment-page-1/#comment-3890</link>
		<dc:creator>Adirondack Almanack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you&#039;ve proven to me once again why I don&#039;t bother with online debate too much anymore. You didn&#039;t address a single one of the issues I put forth. 

Not only that, but you have insulted the very &quot;Americans serving right now&quot; that you so vehemently claim to support with the picture you posted (and now apparently removed) in your first comment - apparently you believe that American men and women serving in Iraq are only deserving of  respect if they abide by your political viewpoints. This is doubly proven by your claim: &quot;I suppose you would support Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, et al.&quot;

For your information, I served during the Cold War so your insinuation is an out and out insult to this veteran. I&#039;m also a honorary member of the Koh Tang Beach Club for my service to the men who fought and died there - you&#039;ll probably have to put away your hyperbole for a minute and look that one up, because, you probably haven&#039;t got the slightest idea about Vietnam aside from a few TV documentaries. I&#039;ll ask again (but please don&#039;t answer, becuase I&#039;m done with this conversation) - what did we gain from Vietnam? More than 50,000 American (and millions of Vietnamese) dead - for what?

And while I&#039;m at it, and you&#039;re busy insulting American men and women who have served and those who serve now because they don&#039;t adhere to your political fantasies - tell us when you served those fantasies. If it&#039;s such a noble cause why are you not serving right now? Certainly, liberal media bias about how bad it is there aside, there is room for a Tour Pro in Green Zone - if not you can go to Vietnam, I&#039;ve been there recently, and it&#039;s filled with American war vets touring the sites of their fallen comrades. 

You&#039;ve done a fair job calling names - I&#039;m a Stalinist, they&#039;re Islamo-facist - I suggest you think more critically.  I&#039;m a lot more scared of Chinese Wal-mart products destroying America&#039;s ability to compete in the world, educate its children, and feed and care for the elderly, than any of &quot;them&quot; coming over here to my mountain abode and &quot;cutting my throat.&quot;  And the facts prove, that American right-wing terrorist have killed many, many, more Americans than any Islamist - who by the way, were from SAUDIA ARABIA!

The odds are a lot better that some right-winger will kill me long before an Islamist. Remember Lincoln, JFK, RFK, MLK Jr., family planning doctors, neo-Nazi immigrant hunters, the Olympic bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, an Asian right-wing nutjob in Montreal killing all those women years ago?  Come to think of it - if you really cared about Americans, and American values, you would do something to try and stop the unrelenting murder of women and girls in this country. 

My guess is that doesn&#039;t have enough macho politico cache for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;ve proven to me once again why I don&#8217;t bother with online debate too much anymore. You didn&#8217;t address a single one of the issues I put forth. </p>
<p>Not only that, but you have insulted the very &#8220;Americans serving right now&#8221; that you so vehemently claim to support with the picture you posted (and now apparently removed) in your first comment &#8211; apparently you believe that American men and women serving in Iraq are only deserving of  respect if they abide by your political viewpoints. This is doubly proven by your claim: &#8220;I suppose you would support Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, et al.&#8221;</p>
<p>For your information, I served during the Cold War so your insinuation is an out and out insult to this veteran. I&#8217;m also a honorary member of the Koh Tang Beach Club for my service to the men who fought and died there &#8211; you&#8217;ll probably have to put away your hyperbole for a minute and look that one up, because, you probably haven&#8217;t got the slightest idea about Vietnam aside from a few TV documentaries. I&#8217;ll ask again (but please don&#8217;t answer, becuase I&#8217;m done with this conversation) &#8211; what did we gain from Vietnam? More than 50,000 American (and millions of Vietnamese) dead &#8211; for what?</p>
<p>And while I&#8217;m at it, and you&#8217;re busy insulting American men and women who have served and those who serve now because they don&#8217;t adhere to your political fantasies &#8211; tell us when you served those fantasies. If it&#8217;s such a noble cause why are you not serving right now? Certainly, liberal media bias about how bad it is there aside, there is room for a Tour Pro in Green Zone &#8211; if not you can go to Vietnam, I&#8217;ve been there recently, and it&#8217;s filled with American war vets touring the sites of their fallen comrades. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve done a fair job calling names &#8211; I&#8217;m a Stalinist, they&#8217;re Islamo-facist &#8211; I suggest you think more critically.  I&#8217;m a lot more scared of Chinese Wal-mart products destroying America&#8217;s ability to compete in the world, educate its children, and feed and care for the elderly, than any of &#8220;them&#8221; coming over here to my mountain abode and &#8220;cutting my throat.&#8221;  And the facts prove, that American right-wing terrorist have killed many, many, more Americans than any Islamist &#8211; who by the way, were from SAUDIA ARABIA!</p>
<p>The odds are a lot better that some right-winger will kill me long before an Islamist. Remember Lincoln, JFK, RFK, MLK Jr., family planning doctors, neo-Nazi immigrant hunters, the Olympic bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, an Asian right-wing nutjob in Montreal killing all those women years ago?  Come to think of it &#8211; if you really cared about Americans, and American values, you would do something to try and stop the unrelenting murder of women and girls in this country. </p>
<p>My guess is that doesn&#8217;t have enough macho politico cache for you.</p>
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